Hallo, dem Zustand nach zu urteilen steht oder stand er irgendwo in Rußland vielleicht wurde ihm da das DKW Herz eingepflanzt wobei sie aber einen ziemlichen Aufwand betrieben haben zumal ja der Motor vom Moskwitsch 400 auch gepasst hätte. Vielleicht sollte das aber auch mal ein Einheitsmodell werden ähnlich wie bei den Lastwagen. Was sagt den FrankWo dazu?
Er gilt als erste UdSSR-Eigenleistung im Mittelklasse-Wagenbereich, sollte innerhalb des 5-Jahres-Planes (1938>42) zur Produktionsreife geführt werden. 1940/41 liefen die Bänder an, die Wagen hatten Frontscheiben-Mittelsteg/FM. 1945 wurden aus Restteilen weitere Wagen gebaut, diese nun ohne FM, beide Serien zusammen wohl um 500 Fahrzeuge. Form-Vorbild war der Fiat 500-A (Topolino-I)/1936>48, aber alles deutlich grösser - geriet so grösser als die Opel-Kadett > Moskvitch-400. Das Projekt wurde nicht weiter verfolgt, da man ja ab 1945 auf die Opel-Kadett-I-Teile und -Anlagen zugreifen konnte, welche zur Moskvitch-400-Serie führten. Ausser der optischen Nähe passten somit die Teile nicht zusammen - Fehlendes musste anderweitig beschafft > angepasst werden ...,
Hello, I habe broken in the last days my Kadett K38 in parts. This car here looks as if the body MUST be a K38 or maybe a Moskwitsch 400. The body is the same as this one I worked on for the last weeks. How the engine found its way in this body, I do not know. The theory that it could be a factory produced prototype I could not share. The floor panel around the pedals looks "home-made" by a semi-proffesional.
I think this is a pre-war opel K38 or a post-war Moskwitsch 400 with a usual "home-made" engine conversion. What makes you sure that it is a DKW engine and not a later IFA version from the GDR, or DDR? They have build this type of engine in the post-war time.
But the old man who has got that car want to sale that car, and before i give him a price i want to ask someone who knows good the OPEL and DKW cars. Because the old man said he saw many years ago a same type car. (K38 frame with DKW engine) Thats why i think maybe there were a corporation between DKW and OPEL(maybe in wartime): DKW give the engine OPEL give the frame....
I'm from Hungary, I collect motorcycles before 1945 mainly DKWs
Maybe, it helps: Length x Width X High and Wheelbase/Wb in meters
Kim 10.50/1940>41: 3,960 x 1,480 x 1,650 - 2,385 - 3-gear Moskv.4**/1946>54: 3,855 x 1,400 x 1,560 - 2,340 - - ' - no 2dr-sedan Kadett--N/1936>37: 3,810 x 1,375 x 1,455 - 2,337 - Kadett--N/1937>40: 3,770 x 1,375 x 1,550 - 2,337 - KJ38 Kadett--S/1937>40: 3,840 x 1,375 x 1,540 - 2,337 - KJ38
The car has had the original engine when the rear wall has been changed. You have another reinforcement then me on the rearwall inside, to see on the picture with the load area. So the rear wall seems to have been changed one long timne ago. After this happend, they have made the engine conversion and placed the fuel tank to the front. By this they locked the whole in the rear wall, where usualy comes out the fill in of the original fuel tank.
Thats what I think about your pictures. My Kadett has also a rust hole above the left corner of the window frame.
Could you give me an idea how much you would like to pay for the Kadett? Is the engine a real DKW or a post-war IFA?
In my opinion, I see this Kadett with maximum 300 to 400 Euro. What do you think?
Yes you got right i think years ago changed the real wall, as i can saw on your picture. I've got an idea what happened with that DKW...: I think the owner cant be abled to repair the wood frame thats why he put the similar DKW engine into one steel frame(OPEL) I think that would be interesting if i make some photo under the car, but i forget that.
The owner want to get 1000-1200 euro for that. I like to buy it, if that car an original factory car (i hoped it maybe a german or russian prototype...)
I think the engine is not an IFA engine, because after ww2 you can buy only russian, czeh, cars vehicle in Hungary.
Some price from Hungary:
DKW 1600 euro... Wanderer W23(said the owner) without engine and gear : 1600 euro...
I visited Hasznalt. Pre-War cars are expensive in Hungary, same as in Poland. People think they have gold on theri yard, but nobody realize how hard it is to restore an uncomplete car. I would give for the Kadett/DKW not more then 300 Euro. For real I would not buy it because too many parts missing and teh body too rot. Buy better and complete - thats my idea. A complete W23 was sold in Austria in need of restoration for 4.000 Euro - but complete. For 3.000 Euro you will not find or make the missing parts. Buy such car in western Europe, and you have a chance to gte something original. My Kadett was not used since 1965 and stored dry. It was absolutely complete and unwelded. And even this will cost more to restore then it will be worth later. But thats it with pre-war cars. To less collectors.
Hallo, also 1000 Euro sind zuviel, es sei denn da gibt es doch noch eine interessante Historie. Ich denke mehr als 500 Euro sollte dafür nicht gegeben werden, denn so selten ist der Kadett auch nicht. Sorry, das ich nicht in Englisch schreibe aber ich hab schon Probleme es zu verstehen.
Yes you got right, In Hungary the years of 60-70's there were good bikes and cars, but these vehicle went out to west. At the moment you can find only lot of not original vehicle like this DKW-Kadett... For example i try to find a DKW SB500 in Hungary but i can buy a good original one from Austria, same(smaller) price like in Hungary ,and that bike was soo good original condition, not as the Hungarian bike. Your kadett is soo nice congratulation. I like to find a DKW car F7 or F8 but i think I have to look around Austria or Germany.
PS: Im not a big genius in DKW cars, but what is the main difference between F7 and F8 ? OK i know this is not a DKW section, i will ask this on that site.